Comments on: LFM and LFG: The Difference http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html Reading Pop Culture Like an English Teacher Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:35:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: /AFK – October 25 « Bio Break http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-615 /AFK – October 25 « Bio Break Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:05:39 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-615 [...] Prof. Beej re: LFM/LFG - “You’re not LFM (looking for more) if all you have are DPS classes; you’re just LFG (looking for a group) because without a tank or a healer, there is no group to speak of.” [...] [...] Prof. Beej re: LFM/LFG – “You’re not LFM (looking for more) if all you have are DPS classes; you’re just LFG (looking for a group) because without a tank or a healer, there is no group to speak of.” [...]

]]> By: Real Big Kitty http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-586 Real Big Kitty Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:47:00 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-586 I agree with you completely on this. As a Hunter or my Enh Shammy, people will pass me over in a heartbeat, or always look for higher DPS (forget situational awareness, it's the healer's job to keep DPS alive n00b... Oi.) But my roommate and I both also play healers, and even when we're on together, if we see "LF3M, Tank & 2 Healz" we laugh ourselves silly. Drewbie is correct, exceptional DPS is valuable, but difficult to find. It seems a very much mainstream plague since most of the gaming population, even if we just use WoW as an example, choose to play DPS. Then they yell at the tanks and healers, but that's another story. And the trinity set up can be worked around. We had previously (pre-Lock nerf) tanked a couple instances with a Warlock's blueberry and an all cloth party. Ferrel is both right and wrong; DPS is not expendable. Ask those of us who took down the crazy Naxx-dance plague boss with one tank, one healer, and one DPS left standing. Oh, after 25 minutes. We had a few words for all the DPS who had croaked. He had no enrage timer. But we need DPS, we just need aware, competent DPS that understands fights and is not just trying to top DPS charts. One person LFG is understandable. LF2M is as well, but seriously, if you have not even made friends with one tank OR healer, there might be a good reason to avoid you. Can I blame PvP? I enjoy PvP, but it's all about max damage and highest HK's... I agree with you completely on this. As a Hunter or my Enh Shammy, people will pass me over in a heartbeat, or always look for higher DPS (forget situational awareness, it’s the healer’s job to keep DPS alive n00b… Oi.) But my roommate and I both also play healers, and even when we’re on together, if we see “LF3M, Tank & 2 Healz” we laugh ourselves silly. Drewbie is correct, exceptional DPS is valuable, but difficult to find. It seems a very much mainstream plague since most of the gaming population, even if we just use WoW as an example, choose to play DPS. Then they yell at the tanks and healers, but that’s another story.

And the trinity set up can be worked around. We had previously (pre-Lock nerf) tanked a couple instances with a Warlock’s blueberry and an all cloth party. Ferrel is both right and wrong; DPS is not expendable. Ask those of us who took down the crazy Naxx-dance plague boss with one tank, one healer, and one DPS left standing. Oh, after 25 minutes. We had a few words for all the DPS who had croaked. He had no enrage timer. But we need DPS, we just need aware, competent DPS that understands fights and is not just trying to top DPS charts.

One person LFG is understandable. LF2M is as well, but seriously, if you have not even made friends with one tank OR healer, there might be a good reason to avoid you.

Can I blame PvP? I enjoy PvP, but it’s all about max damage and highest HK’s…

]]> By: nugget http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-585 nugget Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:51:14 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-585 ^_^ This is exactly how I felt when playing WoW's holy trinity system. And I played all of the three. However, I was primarily a healer, then a tank, and only then, for kick-back woot someone ELSE makes the overarching decisions, the DPS. But what you said outlined my mental reaction to such 'LFGs' almost to a T. Yes, a group of 2 DPS, is still a group looking for more. But the hard truth was, when, as a tank or healer, I saw that... most of the time I would snortle to myself... and look elsewhere for my DPS. In fact, as a healer, I tended not to answer LFMs like that. As a tank, if they happened to be a perfect fit for my *already existing* group, then I would invite them to *my* group... because in WoW, most times from my own experience, the tanks end up leading. ...which would dice the semantics even more - were they really looking for more? Is it that looking for more implies that you have capability to lead? HoOoOom! ^_^ This is exactly how I felt when playing WoW’s holy trinity system.

And I played all of the three. However, I was primarily a healer, then a tank, and only then, for kick-back woot someone ELSE makes the overarching decisions, the DPS.

But what you said outlined my mental reaction to such ‘LFGs’ almost to a T.

Yes, a group of 2 DPS, is still a group looking for more. But the hard truth was, when, as a tank or healer, I saw that… most of the time I would snortle to myself… and look elsewhere for my DPS.

In fact, as a healer, I tended not to answer LFMs like that.

As a tank, if they happened to be a perfect fit for my *already existing* group, then I would invite them to *my* group… because in WoW, most times from my own experience, the tanks end up leading.

…which would dice the semantics even more – were they really looking for more?

Is it that looking for more implies that you have capability to lead?

HoOoOom!

]]> By: MomentEye http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-568 MomentEye Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:47:10 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-568 For me it's about time spent waiting. If the tank and the healer aren't in place then there's no telling how long it will be before the run gets going. LFM does seem to imply a certain amount of 'ready-to-go' For me it’s about time spent waiting.
If the tank and the healer aren’t in place then there’s no telling how long it will be before the run gets going.

LFM does seem to imply a certain amount of ‘ready-to-go’

]]> By: Professor Beej http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-563 Professor Beej Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:20:26 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-563 Being expendable is the main reason I went back to my Shaman after my DK hit 80 and raided. Yeah, I was able to pull about 5k DPS in Naxx25 and Sarth3D, but if I died, then the boss still dropped. I felt completely useless even knowing I was doing my job the best I could. As a healer, if I had dropped like that, I would visibly be able to see the effect I had on the raid. In some ways that's incredibly self-centered, but it's still geekily fulfilling. Being expendable is the main reason I went back to my Shaman after my DK hit 80 and raided. Yeah, I was able to pull about 5k DPS in Naxx25 and Sarth3D, but if I died, then the boss still dropped. I felt completely useless even knowing I was doing my job the best I could. As a healer, if I had dropped like that, I would visibly be able to see the effect I had on the raid. In some ways that’s incredibly self-centered, but it’s still geekily fulfilling.

]]> By: Professor Beej http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-562 Professor Beej Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:14:42 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-562 Oh yeah, technically they are a group. More than one person has "grouped" together. Functionally, however, they can accomplish nothing (outside of Elite quests) that Blizzard has designated for "groups," so they essentially have a dog and pony show without a dog or a pony. And that makes for a pretty poor show. :P Oh yeah, technically they are a group. More than one person has “grouped” together. Functionally, however, they can accomplish nothing (outside of Elite quests) that Blizzard has designated for “groups,” so they essentially have a dog and pony show without a dog or a pony. And that makes for a pretty poor show. :P

]]> By: Ferrel http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-559 Ferrel Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:37:51 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-559 I'm just glad to finally hear someone else say this Beej. Any time I see a "group" looking for a healer and a tank I just look the other way. There just isn't a group to speak of. It is bad enough waiting on a healer or a tank but both means you have nothing going for you. It does sound harsh but it is true. After EQ and EQ2 I stopped playing a healer and switched to DPS. It opened my eyes to how expendable a commodity you are. There are not a lot of healers since it takes a special sort of person to play them. There are slightly more tanks. You then weed out the bad ones and you have a small demographic. As a DPS, however, I found that there were between 300 and 3.5 million people who could do exactly what I could (or better) and were waiting to take my spot and I didn't like it. I enjoy having some control of my own destiny. I'm glad to be a templar again. As cruel as it sounds a group of DPS is really just a support group for people with the same problem. I’m just glad to finally hear someone else say this Beej. Any time I see a “group” looking for a healer and a tank I just look the other way. There just isn’t a group to speak of. It is bad enough waiting on a healer or a tank but both means you have nothing going for you.

It does sound harsh but it is true. After EQ and EQ2 I stopped playing a healer and switched to DPS. It opened my eyes to how expendable a commodity you are. There are not a lot of healers since it takes a special sort of person to play them. There are slightly more tanks. You then weed out the bad ones and you have a small demographic.

As a DPS, however, I found that there were between 300 and 3.5 million people who could do exactly what I could (or better) and were waiting to take my spot and I didn’t like it. I enjoy having some control of my own destiny. I’m glad to be a templar again.

As cruel as it sounds a group of DPS is really just a support group for people with the same problem.

]]> By: We Fly Spitfires http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-547 We Fly Spitfires Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:21:11 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-547 I see what you're getting at but I'm not sure I agree :) Technically speaking any combination of 2 or more players is a group :) One looks for a group, a group looks for more :) It's been beaten into me that way since EQ so I ain't gonna change now :) Even though you're technically right ;) .-= We Fly Spitfires´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WeFlySpitfires/~3/IDbJ2P9Kevw/" rel="nofollow">Star Trek Online - Pros and Cons</a> =-. I see what you’re getting at but I’m not sure I agree :) Technically speaking any combination of 2 or more players is a group :) One looks for a group, a group looks for more :) It’s been beaten into me that way since EQ so I ain’t gonna change now :)

Even though you’re technically right ;)
.-= We Fly Spitfires´s last blog ..Star Trek Online – Pros and Cons =-.

]]> By: Tesh http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-546 Tesh Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:12:00 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-546 "hate the game designers who very much make healers and tankers more essential than DPS." Yes, this. "Bring the player, not the role", in Blizzblue parlance. .-= Tesh´s last blog ..<a href="http://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/death-grip-on-the-reins/" rel="nofollow">Death Grip on the Reins</a> =-. “hate the game designers who very much make healers and tankers more essential than DPS.”

Yes, this.

“Bring the player, not the role”, in Blizzblue parlance.
.-= Tesh´s last blog ..Death Grip on the Reins =-.

]]> By: Robert http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/10/lfm-and-lfg-the-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-544 Robert Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:36:31 +0000 http://www.professorbeej.com/?p=301#comment-544 Haha, you are too much Beej. While I generally enjoy DPS more (in games, I like to kill things), there is no way WOW would function without tanks and healers. I definitely pull my hat down to those who play as those, and play them well. That being said, I hate the arrogance that comes with having played a class to lvl 80. Whether you're a Rogue, a DK or a Priest, you'll always run into someone who thinks their class can top everyone else. Whatever happened to camaraderie? I don't care what class you're playing, you're always needed somewhere, sometime. Just have a little humility is you want to group. You can't be a group if you rush ahead/expect the healer to do everything/overzealous tank/disrespect the tank or healer. .-= Robert´s last blog ..<a href="http://chroniclesofawriter.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/origami-by-robert-j-lang-another-relaxation-technique/" rel="nofollow">Origami by Robert J. Lang: another relaxation technique</a> =-. Haha, you are too much Beej. While I generally enjoy DPS more (in games, I like to kill things), there is no way WOW would function without tanks and healers. I definitely pull my hat down to those who play as those, and play them well.

That being said, I hate the arrogance that comes with having played a class to lvl 80. Whether you’re a Rogue, a DK or a Priest, you’ll always run into someone who thinks their class can top everyone else. Whatever happened to camaraderie?

I don’t care what class you’re playing, you’re always needed somewhere, sometime. Just have a little humility is you want to group. You can’t be a group if you rush ahead/expect the healer to do everything/overzealous tank/disrespect the tank or healer.
.-= Robert´s last blog ..Origami by Robert J. Lang: another relaxation technique =-.

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