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		<title>By: Reading Blogs vs. Reading Books</title>
		<link>http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/06/is-blogging-creative-writing.html/comment-page-1#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>Reading Blogs vs. Reading Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tend to agree with her.  After all, I think that “writing is writing,” so why should I think any less of the flip side of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
		<link>http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/06/is-blogging-creative-writing.html/comment-page-1#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading your post, and the post you linked from Ms Hurley, I&#039;m personally curious - what, precisely, constitutes creative writing?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Part of what I do for a living is copywriting - advertising copy, search-engine-friendly website copy, html email spam copy, branding... etc etc - that sort of commercial writing. And some of it IS creative, because one of the ways to hook a reader into reading more about what you&#039;re selling is to intrigue them. ... But is that &#039;creative writing&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also MUDded for about 10 years (stopped about 7 years ago), and I miss &#039;performance writing&#039; for want of a better name. I have some writer friends (published and unpublished) who write really engaging fiction. But before they come up with the drafts that they&#039;re more or less happy with / not horribly ashamed to show around, they polish, polish, polish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In &#039;performance writing&#039; in MUDs, you can&#039;t do that. There isn&#039;t the time, and you can&#039;t &#039;take it back&#039;. It has to be as fluid, elegant and *paced* as you can make it, in the medium in which it lives. Perhaps the closest equivalent is a poet being called upon to compose something decent on the spot. Whatever it is, I miss it dearly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;XD Sorry about the ramble, I seem to have lost my point somewhere along the way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your post, and the post you linked from Ms Hurley, I&#39;m personally curious &#8211; what, precisely, constitutes creative writing?</p>
<p>Part of what I do for a living is copywriting &#8211; advertising copy, search-engine-friendly website copy, html email spam copy, branding&#8230; etc etc &#8211; that sort of commercial writing. And some of it IS creative, because one of the ways to hook a reader into reading more about what you&#39;re selling is to intrigue them. &#8230; But is that &#39;creative writing&#39;?</p>
<p>I also MUDded for about 10 years (stopped about 7 years ago), and I miss &#39;performance writing&#39; for want of a better name. I have some writer friends (published and unpublished) who write really engaging fiction. But before they come up with the drafts that they&#39;re more or less happy with / not horribly ashamed to show around, they polish, polish, polish.</p>
<p>In &#39;performance writing&#39; in MUDs, you can&#39;t do that. There isn&#39;t the time, and you can&#39;t &#39;take it back&#39;. It has to be as fluid, elegant and *paced* as you can make it, in the medium in which it lives. Perhaps the closest equivalent is a poet being called upon to compose something decent on the spot. Whatever it is, I miss it dearly.</p>
<p>XD Sorry about the ramble, I seem to have lost my point somewhere along the way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Beej</title>
		<link>http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/06/is-blogging-creative-writing.html/comment-page-1#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Beej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education is broken.  I have a post lower down about how the collegiate atmosphere kind of suffocates creativity, so that&#039;s kind of the same thing.  You might like that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are a lot of things that need to be changed in academics, and I think that the main one is the terminal degree requirements.  I&#039;m really frustrated at the MFA stuff right now and don&#039;t really want to get a Ph.D. yet (part of that stems from just finishing my Master&#039;s last month, too).  I prefer creative writing to literary criticism, but I&#039;ll only ever get paid as a full professor with a Ph.D.  It&#039;s frustrating.  I would like it if there were requirements for academic terminal degrees set at a credit hour total of post-graduate studies from accredited universities and a dissertation (even a creative dissertation) before a degree were handed out and it were just a generic Doctoral degree with the dissertation being the focus/specialization. Then we&#039;d be in better shape, and there would be, I think, fewer disgruntled freshly minted academics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then there&#039;s the argument for too many Ph.D.s being handed out already with too few jobs for them to take, so there are practical flaws there, too.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either way, there are flaws in the system that need to be worked out on every level, and I say we start with pretense and snobbery.  Making academics an atmosphere where ideas can be shared no matter what they are is the first step to developing a better academy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Heh, but that&#039;s neither here nor there, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education is broken.  I have a post lower down about how the collegiate atmosphere kind of suffocates creativity, so that&#39;s kind of the same thing.  You might like that.</p>
<p>There are a lot of things that need to be changed in academics, and I think that the main one is the terminal degree requirements.  I&#39;m really frustrated at the MFA stuff right now and don&#39;t really want to get a Ph.D. yet (part of that stems from just finishing my Master&#39;s last month, too).  I prefer creative writing to literary criticism, but I&#39;ll only ever get paid as a full professor with a Ph.D.  It&#39;s frustrating.  I would like it if there were requirements for academic terminal degrees set at a credit hour total of post-graduate studies from accredited universities and a dissertation (even a creative dissertation) before a degree were handed out and it were just a generic Doctoral degree with the dissertation being the focus/specialization. Then we&#39;d be in better shape, and there would be, I think, fewer disgruntled freshly minted academics.</p>
<p>But then there&#39;s the argument for too many Ph.D.s being handed out already with too few jobs for them to take, so there are practical flaws there, too.  </p>
<p>Either way, there are flaws in the system that need to be worked out on every level, and I say we start with pretense and snobbery.  Making academics an atmosphere where ideas can be shared no matter what they are is the first step to developing a better academy.</p>
<p>Heh, but that&#39;s neither here nor there, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
		<link>http://www.professorbeej.com/2009/06/is-blogging-creative-writing.html/comment-page-1#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be too blunt, but I&#039;ve found more valuable data in blogs than in major media outlets.  There&#039;s something to be said for the integrity and purity of an op-ed blog that has no vested interest in satisfying advertisers or catering to a corporate (or politically) mandated agenda.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s true that there is a lot of chaff out there on the internet, but there are also a lot of very literate, very talented writers that express their ideas extremely well.  I don&#039;t automatically assume that a blogger will be the next Hemingway, Shakespeare, Barry, Mises or Hawking, but writing a blog doesn&#039;t preclude the possibility.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s a bit like Anton Ego&#039;s criticism of Remy&#039;s cooking in Ratatouille:  &quot;A great cook (writer) can come from anywhere&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and I can sympathize with the MFA desire; I&#039;d love to go get my own MFA for animation and/or computer graphics, but the state of the art is somewhat less than amenable to such.  Of course, if you want to teach (as I do), you need a terminal degree, work experience and other mundane notions of merit notwithstanding.  Education is broken on so many levels, it&#039;s not even funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be too blunt, but I&#39;ve found more valuable data in blogs than in major media outlets.  There&#39;s something to be said for the integrity and purity of an op-ed blog that has no vested interest in satisfying advertisers or catering to a corporate (or politically) mandated agenda.</p>
<p>It&#39;s true that there is a lot of chaff out there on the internet, but there are also a lot of very literate, very talented writers that express their ideas extremely well.  I don&#39;t automatically assume that a blogger will be the next Hemingway, Shakespeare, Barry, Mises or Hawking, but writing a blog doesn&#39;t preclude the possibility.</p>
<p>It&#39;s a bit like Anton Ego&#39;s criticism of Remy&#39;s cooking in Ratatouille:  &quot;A great cook (writer) can come from anywhere&quot;.</p>
<p>Oh, and I can sympathize with the MFA desire; I&#39;d love to go get my own MFA for animation and/or computer graphics, but the state of the art is somewhat less than amenable to such.  Of course, if you want to teach (as I do), you need a terminal degree, work experience and other mundane notions of merit notwithstanding.  Education is broken on so many levels, it&#39;s not even funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Beej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can agree with that, Blair.  I lumping actual terrible, unskilled writing in with that which has substance is terrible.  I don&#039;t want you to think I was personally attacking you; that wasn&#039;t the case (I hope I made that clear in the post).  Your post really hit a raw nerve, and it made me start thinking about this topic quite a bit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of my big pet peeves is when anyone degrades quality writing simply based on it being &quot;new&quot; or a traditionally lower profile medium.  I had a contemporary novels class my last semester of graduate school where I heard an interview with Toni Morrison.  She had a quote that just got under my skin that went something along the lines of &quot;I write literature; I don&#039;t write comic books.&quot; That kind of elitism bothers me because I have read a great many comic books that I feel have more literary worth than some of the English canon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree that anyone can write, and I do agree, too, that not everyone can write as well.  Even if the quality isn&#039;t where those of us who have been trained in writing (you, creative; me, academic) might prefer it, if a person goes through the process of writing and does it regularly, then I see no reason they shouldn&#039;t be called a &quot;writer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can agree with that, Blair.  I lumping actual terrible, unskilled writing in with that which has substance is terrible.  I don&#39;t want you to think I was personally attacking you; that wasn&#39;t the case (I hope I made that clear in the post).  Your post really hit a raw nerve, and it made me start thinking about this topic quite a bit.</p>
<p>One of my big pet peeves is when anyone degrades quality writing simply based on it being &quot;new&quot; or a traditionally lower profile medium.  I had a contemporary novels class my last semester of graduate school where I heard an interview with Toni Morrison.  She had a quote that just got under my skin that went something along the lines of &quot;I write literature; I don&#39;t write comic books.&quot; That kind of elitism bothers me because I have read a great many comic books that I feel have more literary worth than some of the English canon.</p>
<p>I agree that anyone can write, and I do agree, too, that not everyone can write as well.  Even if the quality isn&#39;t where those of us who have been trained in writing (you, creative; me, academic) might prefer it, if a person goes through the process of writing and does it regularly, then I see no reason they shouldn&#39;t be called a &quot;writer.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Hurley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hurley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found this post and I appreciate your thoughts on my writing.  I&#039;ve gotten a lot of controversy because of that post I wrote!  I did write it when I was feeling fed up with a lot of people merging the term of &quot;blogger&quot; and &quot;writer&quot;, when I do think that although they can certainly overlap, they don&#039;t necessarily do.  It&#039;s all part of a rather mainstream de-valuing of writing as an art: while many people appreciate that they can&#039;t draw or act or dance, there are a lot of people that say, &quot;Anyone can write.&quot;  That&#039;s true, but not everyone can write well, as evidenced by the proliferation of terrible writing both on the internet and in books.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me be perfectly clear: I&#039;ve seen good writing appear in almost every setting where writing appears.  I&#039;m not claiming a kind of highbrow elitism that declares only the novel is good writing, or that only certain newspapers contain good journalism.  Good writing can appear on one person&#039;s blog, in a comic book, or a paperback romance novel.  It&#039;s just when someone writes poorly and lumps that writing together with quality writing that I get annoyed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I didn&#039;t mean to come across as snooty -- rather, I think the daily quest of writers from many different backgrounds is to get out good writing, whether it&#039;s on their blogs, in their novels, or on their facebook profiles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this post and I appreciate your thoughts on my writing.  I&#39;ve gotten a lot of controversy because of that post I wrote!  I did write it when I was feeling fed up with a lot of people merging the term of &quot;blogger&quot; and &quot;writer&quot;, when I do think that although they can certainly overlap, they don&#39;t necessarily do.  It&#39;s all part of a rather mainstream de-valuing of writing as an art: while many people appreciate that they can&#39;t draw or act or dance, there are a lot of people that say, &quot;Anyone can write.&quot;  That&#39;s true, but not everyone can write well, as evidenced by the proliferation of terrible writing both on the internet and in books.</p>
<p>Let me be perfectly clear: I&#39;ve seen good writing appear in almost every setting where writing appears.  I&#39;m not claiming a kind of highbrow elitism that declares only the novel is good writing, or that only certain newspapers contain good journalism.  Good writing can appear on one person&#39;s blog, in a comic book, or a paperback romance novel.  It&#39;s just when someone writes poorly and lumps that writing together with quality writing that I get annoyed.</p>
<p>I didn&#39;t mean to come across as snooty &#8212; rather, I think the daily quest of writers from many different backgrounds is to get out good writing, whether it&#39;s on their blogs, in their novels, or on their facebook profiles!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who makes her (part time) living as a freelance writer, I really appreciate posts like this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My writing is no less valid - nor do I get paid less for it on my steady contracts - than I would if I was writing as a columnist.  Yes, I work in my home and don&#039;t have to sit at a desk in an office - but the work that I do is just as good (and just as much a &quot;real job&quot;) as any other kind of copy or article writing. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I /love/ what I do.  I love blogging (both about Warcraft and about other things) even though THAT doesn&#039;t make me much money, and I find that allowing myself the creative writing outlets that I get through various games/stories only enhances the work that I do writing other articles.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So thank you.  And hear, hear!  I have some people I need to send your way so they can read this! (And sometimes even I need to be reminded that just because I&#039;m not sitting at a newspaper desk or at the top of the bestseller list doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m not a writer.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who makes her (part time) living as a freelance writer, I really appreciate posts like this.</p>
<p>My writing is no less valid &#8211; nor do I get paid less for it on my steady contracts &#8211; than I would if I was writing as a columnist.  Yes, I work in my home and don&#39;t have to sit at a desk in an office &#8211; but the work that I do is just as good (and just as much a &quot;real job&quot;) as any other kind of copy or article writing. </p>
<p>And I /love/ what I do.  I love blogging (both about Warcraft and about other things) even though THAT doesn&#39;t make me much money, and I find that allowing myself the creative writing outlets that I get through various games/stories only enhances the work that I do writing other articles.  </p>
<p>So thank you.  And hear, hear!  I have some people I need to send your way so they can read this! (And sometimes even I need to be reminded that just because I&#39;m not sitting at a newspaper desk or at the top of the bestseller list doesn&#39;t mean I&#39;m not a writer.)</p>
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		<title>By: gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doh, I was going to say &quot;hear, hear!&quot; too but Jennifer beat me too it :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I utterly agree. I think writing is writing is writing and I hate how people apply elitism or snobbery to certain types of it. What does it matter if something is writing in a blog style online or in a heavy leather bound tome? It&#039;s all about the content, you&#039;re quite right, sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doh, I was going to say &quot;hear, hear!&quot; too but Jennifer beat me too it <img src='http://www.professorbeej.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I utterly agree. I think writing is writing is writing and I hate how people apply elitism or snobbery to certain types of it. What does it matter if something is writing in a blog style online or in a heavy leather bound tome? It&#39;s all about the content, you&#39;re quite right, sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, Hear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, Hear!</p>
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